Hemmingway

I would like to know what Hemmingway has to do to get a decent run in the team. OK his defence may not be as good as Kevin Brown (and probably needed today) but offencively and creatively he offers much more IMO. I also think this is the area of the pitch where we lack in general.

I feel sorry for Hemingway, he usually has a sound game when he is in the squad. I think he should be used to spell Hudson instead of being a substitute half back when Thorman/Brown/Robinson are out. He can go there if we are really down on numbers but I think he should concentrate on the hooking role and should have a bench spot at least.

Shogun wrote:

I feel sorry for Hemingway, he usually has a sound game when he is in the squad. I think he should be used to spell Hudson instead of being a substitute half back when Thorman/Brown/Robinson are out. He can go there if we are really down on numbers but I think he should concentrate on the hooking role and should have a bench spot at least.

At the moment i'd leave Jones as the replacement hooker interchanging with Hudson. But we may also see Faiumu this Friday so where does that leave Jones who's been playing well? As for the starting thread, maybe the coaches saw what i saw in that Tom doesn't offer much to the team other than a decent kicking game which we had yesterday anyway without him.

Hemmingway is not a SL player imo.

Like has been said all he has to offer is a good kicking game. Not only that but he is very very inconsistent.

Sturl wrote:

Hemmingway is not a SL player imo.

Like has been said all he has to offer is a good kicking game. Not only that but he is very very inconsistent.

Someone agrees with me!!!!!!!!!!!!

ponner wrote:

Sturl wrote:

Hemmingway is not a SL player imo.

Like has been said all he has to offer is a good kicking game. Not only that but he is very very inconsistent.

Someone agrees with me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ponner, look at Batley. They got rid to make room for Maloney.

Now Maolney is a good player, but he's also in arguably his last season. Batley decided to have Maloney for 1 season than Hemmingway for a few. Says it all really.

Sturl wrote:

ponner wrote:

Sturl wrote:

Hemmingway is not a SL player imo.

Like has been said all he has to offer is a good kicking game. Not only that but he is very very inconsistent.

Someone agrees with me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ponner, look at Batley. They got rid to make room for Maloney.

Now Maolney is a good player, but he's also in arguably his last season. Batley decided to have Maloney for 1 season than Hemmingway for a few. Says it all really.

I basically said that a few weeks ago but i was corrected by Danril & co. that we called him back

The club have not been fair to Tom. He has improved massively this season. There are now 2 positions he can play - scrum-half and hooker - and he is a damn good goalkicker. I can only assume he had a knock and the club kept it quiet. However, I personally am not sure that is the case. I feel they are picking him for certain games, which is not the way forward. If a player is bang in form you play him. Tom certainly has been in top form.

ponner wrote:

Sturl wrote:

ponner wrote:

Sturl wrote:

Hemmingway is not a SL player imo.

Like has been said all he has to offer is a good kicking game. Not only that but he is very very inconsistent.

Someone agrees with me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ponner, look at Batley. They got rid to make room for Maloney.

Now Maolney is a good player, but he's also in arguably his last season. Batley decided to have Maloney for 1 season than Hemmingway for a few. Says it all really.

I basically said that a few weeks ago but i was corrected by Danril & co. that we called him back

Well Gary Thornton must have been lying then when i asked him. He said sometimes you have to make tough decisions to bring the right guys in.

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

Sturl wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

And yet that same outclassed player was MOM in a recent SL game.

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Sturl wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

And yet that same outclassed player was MOM in a recent SL game.

Which further validates my earlier point of Hemmingway and his inconsistency.

Sturl wrote:

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Sturl wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

And yet that same outclassed player was MOM in a recent SL game.

Which further validates my earlier point of Hemmingway and his inconsistency.

tell me one player who has been consistant all season?????????

Sturl wrote:

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Sturl wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

And yet that same outclassed player was MOM in a recent SL game.

Which further validates my earlier point of Hemmingway and his inconsistency.

Not in SL this season.

Maybe if he was given more game time, he may improve.

He probably would reidy, just wonder will they give him that time

Time, time time.

Look at Lawrence for example. He has made an immediate impact - every game and is being cited as potentially one of the stars of the future.

Hemmingway is a good player. But as far as SL goes he is a good replacement not a first teamer.

Bostock - Skandalis, Raleigh, Hudson... i can go on.

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Sturl wrote:

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Sturl wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

To be fair Laurie he was outshone and outclassed by NL1 players. That says a lot imo.

And yet that same outclassed player was MOM in a recent SL game.

Which further validates my earlier point of Hemmingway and his inconsistency.

Not in SL this season.

My point exactly Ivor, How can you show consistency if you are only in the team now and again, I know what Stu is saying and i dont dispute it at Batley. I have a friend who watches all the academy games ,and he told me 2 years ago that Hemingway's was going backwards , so playing with Batley was not exactly going to lift him to great heights , He needed pushing exactly like Roby and others, Unfortunately his face didn't fit with the Great Guru, who prefer to swap the team about like Chess pieces rather than give any youngsters a chance, He certainly did nothing for Hemingway's game, and he didn't do Thorman any favors either. I hope Hemingway gets at least a fair chance under the new coach, then we will know if he's any good or not.

I was told exactly the same tihng about Hemingway & the academy.

It is also rumoured that Bradford wanted to sign him, but, on the advice of his agent, he stayed with us. He would also have quit last summer had he not got another contract with us.

He ain't by any means the worse player on the park.
I'd say he's worth nurturing and providing the new coach does just that, not only with Tom, but with some others also, it may just be the uplift that they need to be a quality side.
ATEOTD our former coach (if you can call him that...) could not, regardless of what he tried, get the best out of our lads physically or mentally.

Onwards and upwards with the new coach imho.

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

I would agree with that BO.
One man can not shine in a poor side, and Batley are a poor NL1 side.
Put Hemingway in a Leeds/Saints/Catalan side and he would probably do well.
He definitely has not had enough consistent game time with the first team to gel and get used to players and their little quirks ( for want of a better description), as we all know when a new signing comes it takes him half a season to blend in, but Sharp played the new signings even if they were crap, take Jenson and Elford, he persevered with those two, probably to justify their contract money, but Hemingway would have only been small money in comparison so it wouldn`t matter leaving him out.

Shogun wrote:

BO JANGLES wrote:

How anyone can give a balanced view on Hemmingway i dont know, he has never had enough games on the trot for anyone to know how good he is, IMO he should have been getting a lot of game time 2 years ago, but it was always the wrong game, or too important to risk youngsters , and the old chestnut tom is not old enough yet.
As far as playing for Batley goes, I would say that if Robey had been at Giants he would have been farmed out too, with probably the same results, yet look what a player he is, you dont bring players on by playing them with poorer players. I would prefer to see him there regularly to spell Hudson, he is never going to show what he can do with one game now and then, i hope he stays long enough for a new coach to give him a look over, if he still cant get in the side then fair enough.

I would agree with that BO.
One man can not shine in a poor side, and Batley are a poor NL1 side.
Put Hemingway in a Leeds/Saints/Catalan side and he would probably do well.
He definitely has not had enough consistent game time with the first team to gel and get used to players and their little quirks ( for want of a better description), as we all know when a new signing comes it takes him half a season to blend in, but Sharp played the new signings even if they were crap, take Jenson and Elford, he persevered with those two, probably to justify their contract money, but Hemingway would have only been small money in comparison so it wouldn`t matter leaving him out.

Dead right Shogun, I know the sharp thing has been done to death really, and i know there are people on this board who thought he did ok, I'm fine with that ,Their opinions are as valid as the next persons, But in truth his team selections at times were beyond belief, I remember one of his quotes from the Examiner ( I brought other players on and i swapped them about looking for some sort of spark but nothing seemed to work ) that just about summed him up for me, I hope we never see the likes of him again, and i wouldn't mind betting there's a few players that feel the same way.

I bet that too BO, must admit they seem a happier bunch now

BO JANGLES wrote:

I hope we never see the likes of him again, and i wouldn't mind betting there's a few players that feel the same way.

Talking to an ex player at weekend who said Sharp should have gone ages ago.